Wednesday, 27 May 2009

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    What's wrong with being a Homosexual?

    It seems that our society will take a very long time in accepting changes. Recently I had a very casual debate with my friends on Homosexuality. It turned out that most of them were very against Gay/ Lesbian marriages and said that it was 'against the law of nature'. They had a point, but being homosexual is also natural (hormonal causes) - you don't have a choice when it comes to sexuality. If it were so, nobody would be homosexual. And another nebulous lame argument was "It just....just doesn't feel right!" And it is this 'doesn't feel right' mentality of many people that is making life difficult for gays and lesbians. The other day I was surfing the channels when I came across the interview of this girl who had come to audition for some dumb MTV reality show. She was asked this question - Recently there was a Gay pride parade in Mumbai. Do you consider this social progress?

    And this brat started insulting gays by calling them 'Mentally retarded' and god knows what more in an irritatingly brash way. I think she even said that such people should be put in prison. But I was glad the judges shut her up by asking her that did she even know what 'retarded' really meant. And most people had similar opinions - Gays and Lesbians are not normal and should live in seclusion. Why?

    In some Advice column of a website, a girl asks whether her friend is a lesbian. She said her friend kept touching her and seemed really interested in girls. 'I told all my friends that she's a lesbo and all of them agree. In fact, the whole school thinks the same. What should I do? Is she really a lesbian?' And guess what the advice was? 'Her sexuality is none of your business and you should be ashamed of yourself for insulting her this way.'

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    I see that many people have so much problem with homosexuals that they treat them as if they were a breed of unforgivable sinners.

    "Who's your project partner? Oh Cassie! Ew! Did you know she's gay? I'd never work or even sit with her! Ew!"

    "Jack you shook hands with Matt! Woah! Is he in love with you or what? He's so gay sitting with you... I think he's in love with you hahaha"

    These are some of the mean things homosexuals have to hear about themselves everyday. Why doesn't somebody sit with you in the bus? Why doesn't anybody have lunch with you? Why doesn't any one offer to help you with the assignment? Because you're a GAY damn it! It's YOUR fault! YOU are the reason for what's happening with you! Yeah right. How is sick is that people? Many of them get that treatment from their family members! OUCH! Hurts, doesn't it?

    Almost 80% people don't know that homosexuality is not a matter of choice. It's just like your sex. Just like you can't choose your sex, homosexuality is also by birth. And did you know that homosexuality is just as old as anything in the history of mankind? We had homosexuals even before, but they always stood behind the curtain.

     But the question is, what are we making out of it? How are we taking this? Are we understanding, compassionate and respectful? Or are we among those jerks who pass mean, hurtful comments on these people who are different?

    Do we live in a society that doesn't respect differences? A society that will not accept things that not 'ideal'? A society that is ruthless in stead of being kind and humane? Why do people forget that we all have a right to be respected for what we are, for who we are? Why do they overlook the fact that everyone is supposed to be treated with equality? Why are we always judging them just because they are not like us? Why is it that when we come to know that one of our idols - a person we're fond of - is a homosexual, we start to pay more attention to their sexuality than their caliber and accomplishments? Is it right that you start calling your beautiful, dignified teacher names just because she isn't of the same sexual orientation?There's nothing wrong with them. It is we who are at the wrong side. We are retards and not they.

    Today, they have become aware and strong, and are out on the streets to get their rights. And I really appreciate that. I'm an open supporter of homosexuality and I don't care what people think of me for doing so. I understand their feelings and will stand up for them. I have a very nice friend and she's a lesbian. I love spending time with her and and when I came to know about her being a lesbian, I was really casual about it. I couldn't care less. I liked her for what she was and this new fact really had no impact on my views about her. And I will not have people insult her just because she's a homosexual. Never ever. People need to see that there's a lot more to one's personality than one's sexuality. They walk the very same roads as us, they eat the very same food we do, they wear the same sort of clothes, they breathe like us, they talk like us, they laugh at Paris Hilton as well, they are human beings like us. So don't they deserve the same respect and treatment as us? Don't they need love? 

    So to a my message to all my special friends, go ahead and be who you are. Don't care about others. I respect you for who you are, and I admire you all for showing the world who you are and tolerating this step - motherly treatment. Hats off to you and your courage.

    What are your opinions on homosexuality? Are you a supporter? Or do you think it's against nature?

Comments (29)

  • JupitersDays

    I support those who are homosexual. I too believe it is something you're born with. I am against Prop 8 (in California, U.S.) and am appalled that the courts decided to support it. *0.o Ugh. People today are so closed minded! I thought we (the U.S.) were a nation with equal rights!

    Your entry reminds me of the days of segregation in the U.S. When African Americans weren't allowed to dine in the same restaurants or drink from the same water fountains as white Americans. When some white Americans thought that touching an African American would "infect" them or some similar b.s. like that. *0.o Those were ignorant times. I thought the U.S. had come a long way since then. But apparently not.

    I don't think people can say it's against nature because there are even animals that are homosexual. There have been studies that show that increased stress during pregnancy result in a homosexual baby.

  • carpe_diem99
    brain freeze...

    how in the world can anyone say it's against nature? it's so natural! the homosexuals in the world dont FORCE their minds to get attracted to the same sex so they can be laughed at and have their life made difficult for them. they're among the people in the world who need the most support. i guess it's again this weird "people" thing that as long as people are the same and "normal" life is fine but one oddball comes and the next thing u know people are outraged that someone dared "be" different in their thinking and they're determined to make that person's life hell. if they could just stop for a moment and ask whose fault is, maybe they'll realize that even the gay person had no control over being gay. he cant have possibly WANTED to trade a great straight life for a gay one where he'd have to endure society's ugly scorns day after day.


    we dont see that many gays out here in india. i've always wanted to meet a gay person. it's gonna be interesting.

  • Padooker

    One thing is true:  The undisciplined life is not worth living.  Experience will teach any honest person this. Check it out if you have a doubt.


    A few other things are statistical facts worth knowing for those interested in experimenting with sexual simulacra, or simulations of sexual activity which are inherently sterile (where one expresses his passion in a way that produces no offspring, producing nothing really that can't be equally, or better, gained by honest conversation.).  Homosexuality in America is finally "free," or admired, lauded.  Homosexuals earn very good money and are no longer treated so badly. 


    When I was in high school, people used to beat up gays, which was horrible.  Soon after I graduated, some of my students (I used to coach cross country.) would pretend to be gay, holding hands, and pretending to kiss.  They made a big thing out of it, and I found it hard to believe.  But they said that was the new thing; it was popular to imitate gays, with the flamboyant gestures, mannerisms and clothing.  In just a few years, that was a total reversal.  Homophobia was replaced by homophilia.  Interesting, and in my view, a whole lot better on the surface, as it can never be good for one group to be beaten up because of identity with that group.  Hate crimes must end, if society is to improve.


    Yet despite all this social acceptance, homosexuals are still very sad people, statistically, according to research.  They have higher incidences of mental problems, suicide, and a host of other issues, conditions related to melancholy.  That melancholy is stubborn over time, while the culture changed, and it became faux pas to say anything bad about those who choose a homosexual lifestyle. 


    One of my dearest lifelong friends (since age 2 really, as our mothers were friends) is homosexual and I have learned much about the homosexual lifestyle through him.  His friends live a smiling/despairing lifestyle, and avoid exercise like the plague.  They drink a whole lot.  I enjoy being with them, and enjoyed it more when I was younger, in college, and the decade or so after college.  They were great to talk with. Straight men do not always enjoy just sitting down and chatting.  So, through my childhood friend, Davis, I made many more friends who had chosen the homosexual lifestyle.  Some are dead now, from AIDS.  But the most persistent feature, salient point, that sticks out over all these years, is the entrenched despair and sadness. 


    "Natural" does not equate to "good," though I have sometimes (at least in part) wished that it did.  I have a natural love of ice cream.  And the lowfat kinds are decidedly NOT acceptable alternatives.  But, nothing is so satisfying in all of my life than to lie down at night with my five children sleeping all around me.  They toss their arms and legs over me during the night, and even rest their heads on my body at different points.  They are flesh of my flesh, blood of my blood, you know, the way Adam described Eve.  That was important to him.  I understand.  I do not believe that your love for a boyfriend can be exactly the same quality as that of your mother's love for you.  Ask her if she agrees with what I wrote.  


    I do know that among young people it seems to be of critical importance to avoid making any judgments about the expression of another person's desires, even if strong statistical evidence supports that this person will more likely be miserable if he follows his desire.  Or, even if a person worships some religion which teaches that those who choose a homosexual lifestyle endanger not only their health or sanity, but their very souls ... even then, young people are inordinately concerned about conformism, not daring to strike out on their own and state an opinion that differs with the current socially accepted convention that "No one publicly states a negative opinion of the choice to follow a homosexual lifestyle." 


    Shux, you could lose all your friends. So it takes "cojones," and very few American youth have the courage to do that, despite overwhelming evidence, and the "sneaky dirty secret" (the pink elephant in the living room) that very few of them would want their children to follow such a sad and sterile lifestyle as a matter of course. 


    Some people have no choice but to be sterile.  They have difficulty gaining a sense of rightful existence.  There is no way that your parents could fully describe to you how difficult it was to raise you.  The only way you will ever understand this is to raise another person, with the intensity of loving attention one naturally gives to one of his own flesh and blood.  We all inherit a debt, then, to our parents for this, and we cannot pay them back.  All we can do (if we wish to enjoy a sunset without having to drink ourselves silly to feel at ease in the deepest way) is to raise a brood of our own. 


    Yes, this is true for the overwhelming majority.  I like to believe it is not absolute.  But it does indeed operate as a natural law.  I like to believe that Mother Theresa (spelling?) who worked with the indigent in India, I believe, found such deep existential satisfaction, even though she did not, as far as we know, engage in coitus and multiply.  I like to believe that she gave of herself so fully that her sacrifice was equal to the quality of sacrifice your mother gave to raise you.  That is rare indeed, and as a teacher, it is not something I can strongly recommend, as most people fail to live up to such a standard, using some other means of motivation.  I would encourage my son to serve others at such an intensity if he were inherently sterile (bum sperm boy), and the same for my daughter were she a barren woman.  But I could not wish them to voluntarily position themselves at such a position in life, like a race horse in a starting gate many meters behind all the others.  It is just not something you could advocate for, or wish on, another person, to choose that consciously. 


    I do the opposite. I consciously go against my nature in many ways, not just eschewing ice cream in the quantity, frequency and fatty quality I enjoy (17% minimum fat, no hydrogenated substitutes, either).   Although I am Baptist and therein free to use contraceptives, by experience I find that I enjoy eminently greater complete sexual satisfaction following the Catholic model, which views any sexual activity which is inherently sterile as being evil, so that includes all forms of contraceptives. 


    But I like most of all seeing tolerance of different views.  Many people have great difficulty respecting any view which is different from the currently popular view, mentioned above, which dictates that we must agree that a choice to follow a homosexual lifestyle is healthy and good, to be commended.  I cannot commend it in the abstract, particularly when I think of all the homosexuals I have loved throughout my life.  Their eyes give away too much.  And by comparison when I think of my own satisfaction ... it would be most unfair, and deceptive, of me to keep that a secret, and pronounce otherwise. 


    I would guess that your mother agrees utterly with me.  Let me know if Indian mothers hold a strongly divergent view.  Maybe the upper class women of middle age are now bored, do not work, and hold suprisingly radical views from the general tenor of Indian culture.  I really don't know. 


    Perhaps the most important thing is to learn to respect and tolerate diverse expression of views that are different from your own.  If we cannot do that, then progression of society is at an end.  Tolerance of diversity is critical, and we seem to be losing that in the U.S., on this and other issues. 


    My two cent's worth.  

  • IheartModdie

    This is nicely written, definitely.  I'm glad I "stumbled" upon it.


    I'm in full support.


    :D

  • jackie9714_rocks

    yes i do think it's against the nature. but what you've said, i have to agree.


    about gay marriage, i still have no opinion, there's both good sides and bad sides.. hmm..


    i study in a girls school there's a few les in our grade, but we all get along with them.

  • AasthaKathy

    @IheartModdie - Thank you


    @jackie9714_rocks - that's good. You should get along with them. Thanks for the comment :)
    @JupitersDays - Totally agree! 
    @carpe_diem99 - yeah... what is this 'brain freeze' mini for?  
  • niikhita

    True, it was some illiterate bitch on the Roadies auditions, wasn't it?

  • carpe_diem99
  • AasthaKathy

    @niikhita - yeah... I felt like beating that b**** up! 


    @carpe_diem99 - lol
    @Padooker - you do have a point but it also depends on what you think as 'good'. Yes love of a mother is definitely different, but I don't think I'd compare it with the love of homosexual parents... 
  • AasthaKathy

    @Padooker - and by the way...you didn't tell me whether your wife liked my mothers' day article... Did she like it?

  • maniacsicko

    is it a proven fact that homosexuality is by birth?


    i never heard of that one before...   i mean i have heard people say saomthing like that, just not the proven part...
  • Padooker

    "Many people have great difficulty respecting any view which is different from the currently popular view, mentioned above, which dictates that we must agree that a choice to follow a homosexual lifestyle is healthy and good, to be commended." 


    It's not my definition.  I'm just responding to the chorus that seems so desperate to prove that a homosexual lifestyle is good.  I would never want to attempt to prove that. 


    Do you want for my wife to read the article which you posted for Mother's Day?   I was not convinced that you wrote it, given that it's style is so different from all else I've seen of your writing.  If you want her to read it, I will ask her to.  I was not aware that you had asked me to see if she would read it.  And I recognize that you may well have done that, and I utterly forgot.  My brain is not what it used to be.  


    My wife is sleeping now, and my youngest baby is having a good time a few feet from my office door, messing with something and making some noise.  I doubt you'll do this, but I would that you ask your mother whether and to what degree she agrees with my writing in response to your "homosexual-esque posting."   I predict strong agreement, and not solely because she is of my generation. 


     "Yes love of a mother is definitely different, but I don't think I'd compare it with the love of homosexual parents... "   That was percisely my point; you can't compare it.  But instead of a mother's love, I merely meant what you get from the "flesh of my flesh, blood of my blood."  You are raised by two in union who share something no homosexual union can ever share. 


    You are raised by two who are joined in a unity of flesh.  Your parents both contributed to your genetic make-up.  That is a powerful bond, one so powerful that children who are not raised with their genetic parents frequently search for them with strong determination to find them and discover who they are.  So, you are right, the bond between a homosexual parenting situation and that of two genetic progenitors (real, biological mom and pop) is incommensurable.  You hit the nail on the head, albeit perhaps without exactly realizing it as such. 


    Gotta go.  My youngest one needs me now.  He's whining about something.  Good luck figuring this one out to your satisfaction. 

  • AasthaKathy

    @Padooker - I don't say homosexual lifestyle is good or bad. It's just something we need to accept - happily or grimly. And as far as that Mothers' day article is concerned - I WROTE IT - okay? I really did. And it definitely is my style. The thing is I rarely add such sentimental posts out here so that may give you the false impression that I have not written it. 

    @maniacsicko - here goes your proof - 
    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080705070356AAqBDWh
  • Padooker

    @maniacsicko - Yes, actually.  I have homosexual friends, and I'm old (48), and I love my friends.  So, I've kept a keen ear to this from the scientific point of view.  Yes, there is increasing evidence that the homosexual tendency is ingrained within our genetic material, meaning the degree to which you have it is largely determined by your genetic make-up.  It is not possible to say that it the tendency is entirely inherited, but it is increasingly becoming more evident that a genetic component is stronger than we may have previously supposed.  Suffice it to say that a reasonable psychologist or religious counselor can no longer preach to his client that his condition is "unnatural." 


    I believe the only way you might confidently say anymore that such an inclination is a "perversion of nature," would be from the original condition, from some ideal state like the Garden of Eden.  In other words, it would be linked with something as basic as original sin.  Only prior to that could you safely now assert that there existed a nature which excluded the homosexual impulse.  Does that make sense? 


    That said, "natural" does not mean healthy or desirable.  I have a natural tendency to consume vast quantities of the richest ice cream you might make.  If you make a quart and set it before me, and if it has wholesale bucket-loads of fat, then I will eat it, so long as it tastes good to me.   If you make two quarts and do likewise ... I shall do likewise.  You make three quarts ... I'll eat three quarts.  (Mind you, I'm a pig.)  You make four quarts, set that on my table, I'll eat it.  I think you get the picture.  


    My primary point above was this:  The undisciplined life is not worth living. 


    Love, Padooker


    P.S.  Um... I realize that you knew I was just kind of joking about the ice cream ... didn't really expect you to make it, contact me, find out where I really live, and bring it to me... but I just wanted to say, anyway .... if you really did want to bring me some ice cream (for whatever reason...) I want to make sure you know exactly where to find me.  I got home from work today, teaching at Hannam University, and my children had devoured a big tub of ice cream from Baskin Robbins.  I didn't realize they had had any access to ice cream. My brother-in-law, in a festive mood come straight back from the Philippines on his 5-day honeymoon, decided to drop in and spring some ice cream on us.  Of course, it was all gone by the time I got here.  I lie again. It was nearly all gone. There were a few small bowls each with a small quantity of melted and refrozen ice cream, of various fruity flavors mixed together in ghastly color combinations and swirls that I could not stomach.  I am somewhat of a spoiled connoisseur or aficionado when it comes to ice cream and will eat only the best.  I favor nut kinds.


    And I want to thank you so very much for allowing me this space to write at length about my affinity for deluxe, fatty ice cream.  Have a very very nice day, you do.

  • maniacsicko

    @Padooker - so, what is from birth is the tendency?  meaning to say that the person have a great tendency towards homosexuality? did i get the correct understanding?  if my understanding is correct, then homosexuality is not by birth, the tendency towards it is by birth....   (unlike gender of male/female is by birth)

  • Padooker

    @AasthaKathy - It was not sentiment that seemed different to me, but diction and sentence structure.  I think it is good if you develop different styles, and also, polish all of your writing, putting care into everything you do, like run spell checkers, etc. 


    It seems that young people are often in such a hurry (to make money, accomplish things) that they get habits of incorporating a lesser standard of care.  If something is worth doing, it's worth doing well.   Life is short.  Give it your best. 


    You must be on line now.  What time is it in India?  Is it dark out?  It is dark here.  It's relatively quiet, too.  I like living here, but must move next year, to the States.  I don't look forwards to it.  We have all we need right here, I think.  But, my wife feels it better for our children to go through some measure of the American school experience, which they cannot do here in South Korea. 


    Post other work, too, if you have some of different styles.  I don't think it is important that you convince me that all your work is truly by your hand.  We're e-mail friends.  That's a little different from face-to-face.  I take what you post on face value, which, I think, is sane. 


    That means I believe that it is valuable to you by your selection, regardless of the degree to which you penned it from its origin.  If it is valuable to you, for whatever reason, and I'm your internet friend, I'll give it a read.  You might note that I have few friends, six.  I like that.  I'm not on here to build a huge following and bring in the big bucks.  Rather, I want a variety of friends, and I want to engage them in detail.  I especially like having a friend who likes to write, and who gives sincere, careful consideration to all he reads (rather than cursory, agenda-dominated consciousness-scattering, fragmented attention). 


    That purity of focus is what I value, and try to facilitate and support.  In fact, I do not believe anyone can become a great writer without developing such care and focus on his work, meaning all that he writes.  Each sentence you "pen," is of critical importance in your developmental path as a writer, if you truly wish to become a great writer. 


    And to the degree that you do, then I would like to think that I am in league with you, sharing a similar mind, even though our first languages may be quite different.  I place a high value on differences in background, and find them stimulating.  You're my only friend from India.  Regardless of the degree that you are who you overtly claim to be (male or female), I value your friendship, as a human being, and I hope you'll remain my friend. 

  • Padooker

    @maniacsicko - Geez, you're smart. Do you wanna trade brains?  Mine's wearing out.  I forget things all the time....


    But, yes, you're right, from what I understand according to continuing scientific developments.  I am going to assume that when you write "homosexuality," you mean a choice to follow, and engage in, the homosexual lifestyle.  In that case, then, yes, you are right.  Participation in a homosexual lifestyle is always a choice, and one made by people with greater and lesser degrees of the innate tendency.  My homosexual friends support this view as well, frequently pointing out to me that certain people who live a straight lifestyle are, in their words, "closet queens," even though they may be married and raising children.  Also, they acknowledge that some "gays" are better understood as "bi's" not really comfortable with giving up the freedom to engage women and raise a passel of offspring, some not really even "good gays," as they put it.  I don't engage in such judgmental parlance, just listen, and record. 


    Yes, anything you do has some element of choice, much, too, to the degree that you believe that what it means to be human is that you are conscious and have free will, the ability to strike out in some self-determined direction apart from nature.  I do that everyday, when I go out for a bike ride, rather than sit home, watch some TV and eat a barrel of ice cream.  But, I have decided for my satisfaction that the undisciplined life is not worth living.  Gotta get my four oldest children to bed now.  Good luck.

  • ZSA_MD

    Extremely well written post. I have many friends here on xanga and in my life away from xanga, who are gay and lesbians. Obviously I support them.

  • zionlover

    They say there's also a genetic factor involved in alcoholism. Does this mean we have to accept alcoholism as natural too? I don't think so.

  • CareyGLY
  • AasthaKathy

    @ZSA_MD - Thank you so much for the lovely comment!

    @zionlover - you cannot control it if you have feelings for the same sex...but you definitely decide whether or not to have alcohol...there's a huge difference between something voluntary and between something involuntary...you cannot control your feelings for someone, can you?
  • zionlover

    @AasthaKathy - According to NARTH, homosexuality is not hardwired by DNA and homosexuals are only born with tendencies. It is a choice when they act upon those tendencies. This can easily be proven with identical twins. Both of them share the same genes, but only a small percentage has been documented of one half of the pair being homosexual if the other is. There have also been numerous studies of homosexuals being treated of their condition. I've even heard of cases myself of people who started out heterosexual but turned homosexual later in life. So by the documented evidence, it is possible to control feelings for the same sex.

  • smilesthepoet

    I'm a huge supporter of someone doing what they need to do to be happy. If being with the same sex makes you happy...hey do you!Holding back who you are and trying to be something you're not can really do damage to your mental state. I don't see what the big deal is. I can't help that I'm attracted to guys, why should I think that a homosexual can help who they're attracted to? If the tables were turned I think people would be more understanding. :)

  • AasthaKathy

    @CareyGLY - @smilesthepoet - thumbs up!

    @zionlover - Indeed I get your point sir, but tell me something - if 2 people of the same sex wanted to be together, what problem could it possibly cause to you and I? 

  • zionlover

    @AasthaKathy - I don't have a problem with same-sex couples wanting to be together. However, I have one with gay marriages and the claim that they are as equally legitimate as heterosexual ones. They aren't, because same-sex couples don't have the biological potential to reproduce. If they ever wanted children, they would either have to adopt or rely on science to do the procreation for them. If they choose the latter, that would mean their children would be biologically related to only one half the couple. Do you think it's right for a child to be half conceived by someone who's not even the legal parent? That'll be like giving that child a stepparent right when he/she is born.

    Another factor that concerns me is that if we were to legalize gay marriage, would that make procreation seem unimportant? One reason for marriage is to provide the necessary protection for a man and woman to conceive children and raise a family. Procreation is essential to propagate the human race and that is what marriage should primarily be geared towards. While it's true that not all married couples want to have children, the importance of children still has to be emphasized. It's just like wearing seatbeats. Some people may not want to wear them, but we still have to stress how they save lives. Procreation is the same way. I have a fear that our society may end up viewing procreation as a choice rather than a necessity if gay marriage were to be legalized. I don't want my son growing up in a society like that. I want him to know how important it is to have children, and legalized gay marriage will only put a wedge into my lessons.

    Don't get me wrong. I don't believe in depriving gays of their citizenship rights, such as the right to vote. It's just their sexuality that concerns me and how it will affect our society. I'd be willing to accept civil unions or domestic partnerships for them, just not marriage.

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